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hangloose911
USA
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 Posted - 05/22/2009 : 15:24:41
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Last weekend a few of us went to a Nascar race (Sat. night race of course! My wife would never allow me to go to a Sunday race! Like this weekend....... oh well). Anyway, when I went to the bathroom the urinals were a little different. It was basically a 40 ft long stainless steel "rain gutter". Not bad really. It looked new and was clean. Men would line up shoulder to shoulder and take care of business. Actually, it was quite efficient. It could accommodate probably about 25 men at time.
What was interesting is that some in our party (especially the teenagers) were appalled by the bathroom. They walked in and walked right back out, or waited in line for a stall. (If you walked a ways down the concourse, there were "normal" bathrooms.)
Anyway, I just found their behavior interesting. I guess you can chalk it up to "I don't want anybody else to see my penis". And that probably comes from "I'm sure my penis is smaller than everyone else's." It's just a shame, because that attitude provides a solid base for low self-esteem. But, when you think about it, these days boys probably don't see anyone naked ever. (Except of course, those unnatural pictures on the internet....)
Anyway, just an observation. The solution is an "open door policy" at home. Of course, we all know that already. I wish I had figured it out earlier. Maybe we should have a special Sunday School lesson at church.......
Have a great weekend everybody.
Hangloose
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Ravenwarbird
Canada
726 Posts |
Posted - 05/29/2009 : 02:45:22
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This is just an interesting observation that was brought to my attention tonight. My (combined for the summer) Ward went to the Temple to do baptisms, my mother was super happy to find out my brother and I were going as she had plenty of name for us to do.
The interesting observation as it were started with a conversation with a Sister I had on he way up to get changed into those baptismal jumpers. She said that the women who divy out the clothes always give her a bra and panties even though she say she does not want them but they insist on her taking them anyway. She said she finds them so uncomfortable to wear especially wet so does not wear anything under the jumper. It is not like you can see through them when wet or anything.
She made a good point that I totally agree with. I stopped wearing the bras they give out because they really are impractical under the situation and down right uncomfortable. One size really does not fit all. There are more than one size but only three I think. However I must admit that up until tonight I always wore the underwear under the jumper. Tonight I did not and it made no difference in the fount but all the difference after it. I sold on it.
I also know for a fact that a lot of the female YSA do not wear the bras either for mostly the same reason. Just not worth it. |
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FullMonty
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Posted - 05/29/2009 : 09:37:18
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Raven,
Many times you'll find that the temple workers can be modesty Nazis, I think it's a generational thing more than practicality.
Here's some fuel for your fire.http://www.all-natural.com/bras.html
Due to the line of work I'm in, we see the results of poor circulation and the effect it has on the lymphatic system. My wife rarely wears a bra anymore, only if she's wearing a tight shirt to church or other social events. Funny enough, we've found that some people at church are much more friendly if her nipples are showing. I tell her not to worry about it, it apparently makes people smile more.
Gentlemen, you may want to show this link to your wives. |
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argonaut
USA
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Posted - 05/29/2009 : 10:09:13
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| Of course, bras were originally worn only by prostitutes and loose women who wanted to draw attention to their breasts. Now wearing them is "modest". Go figure. |
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Noodles
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Posted - 05/29/2009 : 13:09:19
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Funny enough, we've found that some people at church are much more friendly if her nipples are showing. I tell her not to worry about it, it apparently makes people smile more.
I've often wanted to so complement the women of my ward - but somehow, I just don't think the Savior's admonition to turn the other cheek is meritorious in this situation (not to mention the Bishop's hastily called "interview"!!).
Just my 2½¢ worth... |
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mfletch7
USA
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Posted - 05/30/2009 : 08:36:01
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Originally posted by argonaut
Of course, bras were originally worn only by prostitutes and loose women who wanted to draw attention to their breasts. Now wearing them is "modest". Go figure.
"Pun intended?"
As in Go (improve) Figure
Sorry, but I just had to write in what this brought to mind as I read it. |
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argonaut
USA
1955 Posts |
Posted - 05/30/2009 : 09:07:25
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| Good call mfletch. It was not intended. You are sharp! |
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Ravenwarbird
Canada
726 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2009 : 00:55:24
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Two weeks ago a Sister in my Ward and friend of mine went to the emergency room at the hospital because she could not breath and waited five hours before they got to her and sent her home after looking her over and finding nothing out of the ordinary. Two hours later she was back because things had gotten worse. They admitted her and ran some tests, they found a large mass on her liver. Over the next week they did several tests and biopsies and we had a Ward fast for her.
Last Monday she was told she has cancer of the liver and lungs, she also has a preexisting heart condition. Thursday evening she died.
She was awesome, always made you feel good and comfortable, she will be missed greatly.
Over the past few months she had been working hard to get in shape and was doing and feeling better then she had ever before. In the space of two weeks she went for feeling good and happy to dead and happy I am sure. REALLY put things in prospective. Live today in the best way and do not procrastinate anything, for truly this could be your last day to do it.
Remember the simple things are the fundamentals of life. Choose ye your path this day. |
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ddoger
Canada
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Posted - 07/12/2009 : 04:13:11
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I'm sorry for your loss rwb. Having a perspective of the plan of Salvation certainly helps but feeling pain and loss is natural. I agree with you that life is short and we need to do today all the things we have been putting off till the time is right. My wife had a coworker, 44, drop dead at home. No reason for her death. I guess it was just time.
Sincerely
Ddoger
The rule is... Live the Principle. If you choose not to live this rule, more rules will be created. MP |
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argonaut
USA
1955 Posts |
Posted - 07/12/2009 : 18:27:05
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RWB,
Very sorry to read about the loss of your friend. Its kind of like driving by the scene of a horrible accident. For a few hours or a few days one is very careful and very aware of the tenuous grasp one holds on life, but gradually our former habits return. We don't forget, we acclimate and carry on.
Several years ago I experienced a serious cardiac event (ventricular fibrillation) . At the time, I was out of reach of timely emergency assistance and lay down not knowing exactly what the problem was or if I would survive the night. I went through kind of a life review and made a very short list - 3 items - that I would focus on should I live. I was quite surprised when I woke up the next morning. I try to conduct similar life reviews from time to time. They really help me to drill down to the important things and prepare for that inevitable event when it does come. |
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joserab
USA
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Posted - 07/12/2009 : 21:45:33
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Periodic life reviews - what a great idea argonaut! I will use it, and do it, and find 3 things. In six months or so, I'll do it again. I may just journal this. It would be interesting to watch thru the years how priorities change - or if they do!
RWB, I, too, am sorry for your loss. Both my mother and father died as the result of medical procedures gone awry and both went very quickly - within two weeks like your friend In my mother's case I was the one to make the decision to let her go. I am convinced I made the right decision. She lived well right to the moment of the screw-up. She never spent a day before that in a nursing home or anything like that. So she went quickly having lived life her way, even though I know she would have liked to stick around longer. I'm sure it's the same with your friend. I believe that to go quickly without much suffering is a superb way to exit this existence and move on to the next grand adventure!
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Ravenwarbird
Canada
726 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2009 : 12:49:20
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This is as good a place as any for this I guess
As of late I have been doing some research for a paper on child development. In my searchings I came across an issue that tweaked my curiosity in that it did not seem to click with me somehow, so I looked into it more and got a flood of personal accounts and opinions. The subject seemed innocent enough but led to what I felt was not so innocent. The topic was bathing children, what age do you stop?
Nearly everything I came across was very much one sided, and overloaded by women and let me tell you there are a lot of sick and twisted women out there. I have my doubts about the validity of much of what I read or how much was truly personal accounts but those were not the ones that disturbed me the most, those are sketchy and questionable so I did not put much care or concern to them. The ones that caused me to pause, reread and my jaw to drop were the probably true ones and the total gynophobic ones.
The majority of responders were female, calming to be mothers and said regarding the issue of when to stop bathing your kids, that girl should be able to bath themselves by age 6 and boys need to be bathed by hand until age 12 and then supervised until age 14 to ensure they wash properly. The preponderance of opinions for the age gap in genders was that boys get dirtier, wash less and (this is what blew me away) that boys require special cleaning methods for their genitalia. I could not believe how many women were under the impression that a boy can not wash themselves properly and NEED their mothers, sisters and sitters to do it for them. It was also general consensus that it is OK for girls of any age to see prepubescent boys naked but absolutely sinfully wrong for a boy of any age to see a girl of any age naked. There were story after story of girls saying their mothers has taught them how to properly bath a boy by having them practice on their brothers, younger and older. There were also many accounts of young girls babysitting boys older than them. OK, technically I fit into that category but that was under special circumstances. How could you trust a kid younger than your kid to watch them and your house and why would the boy take orders form a younger girl? If I were that boy I would have completely ignored the younger sitter or shoved her into a closet, there is no way any of my brothers would take commands from me. I don’t think I would feel comfortable sitting a kid bigger, older, and mentally capable. I was uneasy when I had to babysit the autistic boy because he was bigger, older and stronger than me. The only reason I could do it was because he was mentally younger than me.
Then there was the whole issue that kept coming up to justify their beliefs, “Girls mature faster than boys”, “I am his mother, he has no reason to be shy about me seeing him naked,” and “girls need to learn out to wash boys correctly at an early age so they can do it when they start babysitting.” Which leads to the whole one sided, and pity the fool who tries to say otherwise, issue that boys/men should never be allowed to bath a child, baby-sit (especially a girl) for fear they will molest them. I was completely floored at how many women said that. One even said that any woman who would allow a male to watch their kids should be arrested for child endangerment and have her kids taken away.
All I could think the whole time was “WHAT IS WRONG WITH THESE PEOPLE????!!!!!!  ” Are they all single women horribly wronged by some man in their lives? What could possible cause you to think that let alone act on them. It may be little wonder their men walked out on them, they were not allowed to see their own kids! One woman was attacked by several posters for letting her boy and girl bath together and they were like 5 and 6. What was the issue provoking the attack? She let her son see his sister naked so now he will grow up and be addicted to porn. LOL, to bad I am to disgusted too. There are a lot of people out there that just have a horribly warped sense for body. They were talking about how boys can’t be trusted not to molest their sisters or any girl they might be permitted to babysit but from what I read I would not trust any of them near my kids when I have them. They were the ones molesting their kids in my opinion, physically and mentally. It is no wonder so many people out there have such messed up ideas about nudity.
A part of me really truly hopes it was just the wacko’s posting and that people out there really do not think that way, but I am too rational for such idealistic thinking. They do exist and there are a lot of them. It took a lot for restraint not to blast back at them to correct them and defend the good at heart and men in general. However to do that I would have to join the forums and it was just not worth it, plus anyone who did try to go against the grain was railroaded as a pedophile or sicko for thinking that way.
I even tried to find forums that opposed such positions that I was being inundated with but I just could not find hardly any. The best was one that said boys make better sitters for boys, at least it is a start.
Some of the accounts I was reading did remind me of some to the things I have been told about from friends. One most pertinent was from a girl who was in my Ward and said she once had a elderly babysitter that insisted on personally giving each child a bath and she was 14 at the time and had to strongly protest before the woman would let her be and leave it for the parents to decide, her 12 year old brother was not so lucky. Their parents later did side with their daughter and she even got a reprieve for her brother. She (nor I) could understand why this woman was so adamant about giving them a bath personally when they told her they had been bathing themselves for several years alone. Also why she needed a sitter at all? Found out it had to do with her having a form of autism, so her parents did not quite trust her to take care of everything on her own. I would have felt insulted if I was her and I am sure she was at the time too.
Remember the simple things are the fundamentals of life. Choose ye your path this day. |
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argonaut
USA
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Posted - 11/19/2009 : 13:30:32
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I bathed with my younger sister until I was 9 or 10. We also frequently shared the same bed until my mom decided that we were becoming too old. It was no big deal. Nothing sexual ever happened, and nothing ever would have happened. A the same time, my mom was happy to let us bath ourselves as soon as we were able. As far as my own kids are concerned, they bathed together as long as they wanted to. I don't even know when they stopped, but I do know that the boys were treated the same as the girls. Nothing extra needed. I guess Mrs. Argonaut never got the news that boys are more stupid than girls.
Thanks for sharing that Raven. From my perspective it is very bizarre. |
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Usher
USA
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Posted - 11/19/2009 : 14:34:36
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Let me see if I have this straight:
1. a male, who has all of his "parts" on the outside where they are exposed to the water and soap needs to be watched and taught how to clean himself, and
2. a female, whose "parts" are internal and not exposed to the water and soap, doesn't need any help or supervision.
Is it just me or does this sound really, really weird!!!
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FullMonty
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Posted - 11/19/2009 : 16:01:31
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Originally posted by Usher
Let me see if I have this straight:
1. a male, who has all of his "parts" on the outside where they are exposed to the water and soap needs to be watched and taught how to clean himself
And at the same time, the boys are taught to NEVER touch themselves down there as this may lead to some form of arousal, this is why the adult female should do this for him? What a load of nonsense! The findings of this article or forum is nothing more than a bunch of misguided women who find it in their best interest to scare each other with their fear of men, boys and perhaps anything that sports a penis. Unfortunately those with this strange collective of brainpower find the opportunity to breed, mentally and physically.
So Raven, I'm curious, can you tell what part of the world these people are from? What is their common bond, religious affiliation or culture? WOW! |
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Ravenwarbird
Canada
726 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2009 : 16:44:58
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Originally posted by Usher
Let me see if I have this straight:
1. a male, who has all of his "parts" on the outside where they are exposed to the water and soap needs to be watched and taught how to clean himself, and
2. a female, whose "parts" are internal and not exposed to the water and soap, doesn't need any help or supervision.
Is it just me or does this sound really, really weird!!!
Usher
That is exactly what I thought! One women put it that since a woman's parts are internal all a girl has to do is run the water over them to rinse it off; well how is that any different from what a guy would do?
The majority were apparently from the USA and UK, few Canadians (thankfully) or South Americans. Also what I found amazing was I went to several different forums and sites so it was not all just from one place. |
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Interesting observation
