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Cuan
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 Posted - 11/19/2009 : 18:47:15
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Originally posted by Ravenwarbird
Which leads to the whole one sided, and pity the fool who tries to say otherwise, issue that boys/men should never be allowed to bath a child, baby-sit (especially a girl) for fear they will molest them. I was completely floored at how many women said that.
This is a tough situation because you want to protect the vulnerable, but how much protection is sufficient and how much is overkill? Can too much protection become detrimental?
The trust issue really bothered me when I was in the Young Men's Presidency. We went to do a Combined Service Activity (Young Men and Young Women) at an assisted living community in our city. There is a group of small town homes together where the elderly and others who need additional assistance can live independently, but still have help when needed. We went there to do service and help with anything that they needed. We were instructed that none of the Young Men could go into the home of a single woman. These were almost exclusively elderly women, however none of these priesthood bearing Young Men could be trusted. What message does that send our Young Men? One of the young men asked me why and I lied, I told him that I didn't know. He could ask his mom who was in the Young Woman's Presidency why and she could expalin it to him.
Recently, I was released from the Young Mens and I am now in-between callings. My wife wants me to be called as a primary teacher so that I can teach her class with her and cover if/when she gets called into work. I don't know if this is church wide, our stake, or just in our ward, but in our primary men cannot teach primary children alone. I told my wife that I didn't want the calling because if she got called in, we would still have to find a substitute teacher so that I wasn't in there alone. My daughter is in that class, yet I cannot be trusted to teach them alone.
How much of this is needed? Is this a liability issue because the church is getting sued? Or can those who live in the latter days really not be trusted? |
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bethington
USA
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Posted - 11/19/2009 : 19:23:02
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I think it is the church covering it's behind! Just after I got done serving my mission I found out that missionarys were no longer able to hold children! Boy was I floored when I heard that. I love to hold little babys.
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joserab
USA
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Posted - 11/19/2009 : 20:40:33
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in our primary men cannot teach primary children alone
Such was the case in our ward until a few years back when windows suddenly appeared in all the classroom doors. Now the men can teach, although each mostly does so with their wife. |
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mfletch7
USA
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Posted - 11/19/2009 : 22:05:13
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| With regards to teaching alone, it is my understanding that it is not just men but that women are also not allowed to teach alone and yes, it has to do with PL; which is most unfortunate. |
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argonaut
USA
1955 Posts |
Posted - 11/19/2009 : 23:19:21
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| I learned about that from another ward I was visiting. I informed my Bishopric and was released from my calling as a primary teacher a short time later - just in time to preserve a portion of my sanity. |
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Ravenwarbird
Canada
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Posted - 11/20/2009 : 00:09:58
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| I have never heard of that, of course I have not been in a family Ward in some time and oddly never taught Primary. I have never though about that before, I wonder how I escaped that calling? |
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argonaut
USA
1955 Posts |
Posted - 11/20/2009 : 10:52:47
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Originally posted by Ravenwarbird
I wonder how I escaped that calling?
1. Count your blessings.
2. Your time will come. |
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hairybare
USA
376 Posts |
Posted - 11/20/2009 : 11:19:28
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There is a little higher learning curve for washing on a boy that is uncircumcised, but this should be easy to teach in a few tries. This is the only thing I could even conceive could lead to the argument boys are harder to clean.
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argonaut
USA
1955 Posts |
Posted - 11/20/2009 : 11:46:39
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| And I don't buy the argument that boys get dirtier than girls either. I have 4 sons and 2 daughters and my daughters were every bit as capable of covering themselves in mud as the boys were. |
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zorro
USA
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Posted - 11/20/2009 : 12:48:02
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| i too was just released from ym pres. to be cub master as everyone else sayed no,( ifeel my call was desperation and not a calling), it is not just primary as in aaronic priesthood they wanted 2 adults in the quorum meetings as well as two adults on all activities in scouts. |
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ddoger
Canada
205 Posts |
Posted - 11/20/2009 : 22:22:51
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in Canada 2 scout leader are the rule from scouting. I think the 2 male teachers is a directive from slc. There was a guy in scouting that was convicted as a pedophile and the church is covering their butts.
The rule is... Live the Principle. If you choose not to live this rule, more rules will be created. MP |
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Ravenwarbird
Canada
726 Posts |
Posted - 02/15/2010 : 02:15:05
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And now for something completely different. Not really related to anything, just something I thought was funny. A sister in my Ward went to a party with some school friends. It was a theme party so she wore a pink wig as part of her costume, I think she said she went as some anime girl. So at the party this guy kept hitting on her then stopped out of the blue. Later she found out that he was homosexual which is why he stopped flirting with her.
This same friend who told her that also told her why the gay guy had been hitting on her in the first place. He thought she was a cross-dressing animeniac he. She got mistaken for a guy, but not just any guy, a guy trying to look like a girl. Is that better or worse than being mistaken for just a guy? I honestly nearly peed myself trying not to laugh, I am still laughing about it now (that she is not nearby). I do not know her all to well and I was just in earshot when she told her friends at Church, who also laughed in her face.
I can only imagine how anyone could mistake her for a dude, must have been the wig. That will teach her to go to non Church parties . Funnier still, she said she was going to change her workout routine to eventuate her girlish figure. I do not know if she was serious about that or if it was just a joke. It did make me think about a few things.
One, What state is the World in that a obvious woman would be mistaken for a man, and a transvestite at that? I do have to admit the like between genders is thinning and it is getting harder to tell some times. There have been several people I had no idea about and others I was wrong about their gender.
Two, What did that do to her self image? Did it aggravate body issues she might have had? In this day and age and culture specifically, body issues are rampant. It would not surprise me at all if she was serious about making herself more girlie. Just two weeks about my brother mistook a sister he has known for years for a new guy in the Ward but that was because she just got her hair cut short and was standing across the room from him with her back to him. Eyes are not that good so...yeah awkward moment. How would I feel if I were mistaken for a guy? Depends on who mistook me and why and if they still thought I was gook looking. Well at least she was mistaken for a hot guy....in a pink wig and frilly dress. Wow, that mental picture is rather creepy and now stuck thoroughly in my brain. Now I have to think of something to dislodge it. Puppies, puppies always work, cute widdle puppies with their widdle paws and over sized eye and ears. OK, that worked.... what was I talking about?
Worked to well, I lost my train of thought, oh well.  |
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argonaut
USA
1955 Posts |
Posted - 02/15/2010 : 03:19:21
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One of my friends (male) went to a bar and became very friendly with what he thought was a lady. As they were leaving together for a "romantic interlude", another guy mentioned that he might want to "check under the hood" before he became too intimate. I have always been so happy that I don't hang out in bars and am not promiscuous.
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Kryptonian
Canada
47 Posts |
Posted - 02/15/2010 : 10:13:23
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| My sister was over at my place the day after the Olympic Opening Ceremonies. I told her the highlight for me was K.D. Lang (I was being facetious of course). I said I don't know why she sang that song in the first place, and how exactly did it fit in with the ceremony? She stopped me and said "Wait, did you say she? I always thought KD was a guy!" I thought she was just joking at first and I was trying to get it out of her, but she was actually serious. I guess I can see how she could mistake K.D. for a guy since she doesn't have a lot of girlish features and my sister is kind of out of the loop when it comes to celebrities, she doesn't even know who David Hasselhoff is! |
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Captain Curmudgeon
USA
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Posted - 02/15/2010 : 10:37:54
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... and my sister is kind of out of the loop when it comes to celebrities, she doesn't even know who David Hasselhoff is!
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I envy your sister. |
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Interesting observation
